Curse

BryanM · Mar 05, 2007, 12:28 AM // 00:28

I guess if you want to spam Concussion Shot or something...

A way that Extend Conditions could be made to be mediocre instead of god awful: make it add straight up +condition time instead of modifying the current tick down count by a percent.

Something like:

"All Conditions on target foe last +3...25 seconds longer (Maximum 30 seconds)."

So it could maybe be of some threadbare value if you splash in a variety of conditions without investing points into their attributes. Elementalist's burning and blind would probably be the highest value combo with such a skill.

Ah, well.

Skye Marin · Mar 05, 2007, 02:44 AM // 02:44

Having +25 seconds of burning would be just a touch too powerful.

Fixing extend conditions is pretty tricky. Even changing the skill to 5 / 1/4 / 5 with a "nearby" AoE won't make it much more potent.

One crazy idea is this re-working:

Extend Conditions
5 / 1/4 / 10
Elite Hex Spell. For 5..35 seconds, all conditions on target foe last 5...100% longer (Maximum 30 seconds). If a skill is used on that target foe that would remove a condition, then that skill has a 5..65% chance of failing.

Extend the conditions by preventing condition removal. What do you think?

agrios · Mar 06, 2007, 04:11 PM // 16:11

"Otyugh's Cry" is BY FAR the worst skill on GW. Ever. What low level creeps can do against the mobs on any area? They should remake this skill and turn it into a summon or something (like D&D Summons Nature Ally)

If there were a counter for uses of skills OC's meter would be around 2 or 3.

Levi Garett · Mar 06, 2007, 05:40 PM // 17:40

As a majority PvE player my vote goes to Protective Bond (post nerf). With all the other farming nerfs (AoE Scatter, Nightmares in UW) I don't understand why this skill cannot be un-nerfed to some extent. At least try to make it useable again (read: 2EN loss at 16 Prot instead of 18).

BryanM · Mar 06, 2007, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by agrios

"Otyugh's Cry" is BY FAR the worst skill on GW. Ever.

Nope, it does something. Pet armor is something.

Extend Conditions, that does basically nothing. At the cost of your elite slot. It is a worse skill.

chikorita23 · Mar 16, 2007, 11:21 PM // 23:21

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Originally Posted by noocoo

Paragon's elite are just almost too plain to be compared with others.

IMO, the worst elite skill in GW is [skill]Word of Censure[/skill]

I still don't understand why Anet make such useless skill like this. I never saw that smiters use this spell, even is E/Mo.

Also, I don't get where the "censure" is. It should make some bonus while target foe is attacking or something.

Anyway, for me, this skill was made for holding a post without the necessary qualifications and just to make up the numbers.

Mind you, just because you don't see smiting caster using this elite doesn't mean it's useless! Check out the fast recharge and unblockable holy-dmg before making your statement here.

First, smiting build aren't as popular as healer and bonder in the game, 2nd I use this for smiting spike purposes! Word of Censure does around 80 unblockable holy dmg with fast recharge which are very good combine with other smiting spikes. I'd say WoC is the best smiting spike elite.

Anyway, Useless skill in Elementalist side -

Elementalist
-Swirling Aura (I have create a topic a year ago when this enchantment got secretly weaken from 75% block rate to 50%, but no matter what... for an easy removable enchantment.... even 75% block rate on only arrow dmg is plain useless.... very waste of skill bar)

-Mind Elites (With all the new elites... Mind Shock and Burn seems useless to me, too conditional with penaty. Mind Freeze probably still have its use... but I'd prefer Icy shackle if I want 90% slow effect on my target)

-Armor of Frost (There are already Armor of Mist with wonderful speed boost and both melee+elemental defense! And Fridge Armor that immune burning effect with melee armor defense! Unless I really need strong melee defense... which I can't think of any... Aof is useless in my standard. )

Obey The Cat · Mar 17, 2007, 12:04 AM // 00:04

Won't say frozen armor is useless at all. But for an elementalist it is.

Worst skills imho:

[skill]Crippling Slash[/skill]
[skill]Otyugh's Cry[/skill]
[skill]Equinox[/skill]

and too many mesmer skills

beltran13579 · Mar 17, 2007, 12:41 AM // 00:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cruz Ctrl

Haven't posted in a while so here's my top 5 worst elites...:

1. [skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill]
2. [skill]"The Power Is Yours!"[/skill]
3. [skill]Defensive Anthem[/skill]
4. [skill]Thunderclap[/skill]
5. [skill]Amity[/skill]

And a note to all the ppl getting so worked up about skills they think isnt so good, just let it go...this is just a discussion of opinions so take it easy...peace

Thunderclap can be used in some builds

with a lightning recruve bow
[skill]Ignite Arrows[/skill]
[skill]glyph of lesser energy[/skill]
[skill]Mark of Rodgort[/skill]
[skill]Thunderclap[/skill]

Rest doesnt really matter

beltran13579 · Mar 17, 2007, 12:41 AM // 00:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cruz Ctrl

Haven't posted in a while so here's my top 5 worst elites...:

1. [skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill]
2. [skill]"The Power Is Yours!"[/skill]
3. [skill]Defensive Anthem[/skill]
4. [skill]Thunderclap[/skill]
5. [skill]Amity[/skill]

And a note to all the ppl getting so worked up about skills they think isnt so good, just let it go...this is just a discussion of opinions so take it easy...peace

Thunderclap can be used in some builds

with a lightning recruve bow
[skill]Ignite Arrows[/skill]
[skill]glyph of lesser energy[/skill]
[skill]Mark of Rodgort[/skill]
[skill]Thunderclap[/skill]

Rest doesnt really matter

tomcruisejr · Mar 17, 2007, 01:32 AM // 01:32

Who uses MARKSMAN WAGER?

lacasner · Mar 17, 2007, 01:41 AM // 01:41

My votes would probably be, and not in this order

Dwarven Battle Stance, Keystone Signet, Archers Signet, Lacerate, and Peace and Harmony.

But really the list can go on for much longer.

BryanM · Mar 17, 2007, 01:42 AM // 01:42

Some sort of marksperson, I'd wager.

The Hand Of Death · Mar 17, 2007, 02:09 AM // 02:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by noocoo

Paragon's elite are just almost too plain to be compared with others.

IMO, the worst elite skill in GW is [skill]Word of Censure[/skill]

I still don't understand why Anet make such useless skill like this. I never saw that smiters use this spell, even is E/Mo.

Also, I don't get where the "censure" is. It should make some bonus while target foe is attacking or something.

Anyway, for me, this skill was made for holding a post without the necessary qualifications and just to make up the numbers.

Haha one of my old guilds once ran a word of censure spike. It beat the noob guilds in HA and was a very quick casting spike, but it was easily countered.

Puebert · Mar 17, 2007, 03:42 AM // 03:42

1 for each profession!

[skill]Headbutt[/skill][skill]Equinox[/skill][skill]Amity[/skill][skill]Toxic Chill[/skill][skill]Shared Burden[/skill][skill]Gust[/skill][skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill][skill]Wielder's Zeal[/skill][skill]"Incoming!"[/skill][skill]Vow of Silence[/skill]

And they're all elite!

Although, Swirling Aura is the worst skill in the game. EVER.

Coloneh · Mar 17, 2007, 04:19 AM // 04:19

@Puebert: Vow of silence AND headbutt? are you kidding? 30 seconds of daze is amazing and a perma spell breaker is even better.

noocoo · Mar 17, 2007, 08:25 AM // 08:25

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Originally Posted by chikorita23

Mind you, just because you don't see smiting caster using this elite doesn't mean it's useless! Check out the fast recharge and unblockable holy-dmg before making your statement here.

First, smiting build aren't as popular as healer and bonder in the game, 2nd I use this for smiting spike purposes! Word of Censure does around 80 unblockable holy dmg with fast recharge which are very good combine with other smiting spikes. I'd say WoC is the best smiting spike elite.

So you just ignore the mod that is "this spell has 20 sec cool down if it hits on the target foe whose health is less than 33%" and call it the best smiting spike elite?

Well, signet judgment + mantra of inscription is much better.

noblepaladin · Mar 17, 2007, 08:33 AM // 08:33

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

@Puebert: Vow of silence AND headbutt? are you kidding? 30 seconds of daze is amazing and a perma spell breaker is even better.

Headbutt gives YOU dazed, not your target. However, if you have plague touch it will combo nicely. Unfortunately, you will need to blow all your energy.

Gordon Ecker · Mar 17, 2007, 08:58 AM // 08:58

I don't think they can nerf [wiki]"Incoming!"[/wiki] any more than they already have. [wiki]Energizing Finale[/wiki] also got nerfed pretty bad.

[wiki]Glimmer of Light[/wiki] is outperformed be [wiki]Healing Light[/wiki] and / or [wiki]Word of Healing[/wiki] in every situation I can think of.

[wiki]Signet of Spirits[/wiki] has the same net energy gain and linked attribute as [wiki]Offering of Spirit[/wiki], but it has a longer recharge time and doesn't work at all without a spirit in range.

As for historical skills, the worst skill in the history of Guild Wars was the bugged version of [wiki]Signet of Ghostly Might[/wiki], which, during the beginning of the Nightfall preview, could, due to a bug, target any ally of foe instead of just allied spirits. A very distant runner up is the pre-Nightfall version of [wiki]Shatterstone[/wiki], which used to do only a little over half of its current damage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by noocoo

So you just ignore the mod that is "this spell has 20 sec cool down if it hits on the target foe whose health is less than 33%" and call it the best smiting spike elite?

Well, signet judgment + mantra of inscription is much better.

I don' really have much experience with Smiting spikes, but I wouldn't call Word of Censure a bad skill. You can't ignore the extra 20 second cooldown if the foe's health is below 33%, but all the restriction really means is that Word of Censure can't finish someone off on its own, that doesn't prevent it from being part of a successful spike build.

ensoriki · Mar 17, 2007, 02:16 PM // 14:16

Wastrels collapse isnt 1 of the worst skills, its usuable in mesmer builds and Knockdown builds, aswell as daze as it takes people longer to cast.

Anyways worst skills in my head are

Desperate Strike, If you want to use it well, you have to lower your health -_-, or let someone attack you purposely....not very smart in most cases.

firekil · Mar 17, 2007, 03:17 PM // 15:17

I can't believe nobody mentioned Signet Of Agony. Its like a much worse version of chillblains.

Sacrifice 10% maximum health and suffer from bleeding for 25 seconds. All nearby foes take 10...37 damage.

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Signet_of_Agony